@artdrawsyou Why is … @artdrawsyou Why is competition bad? Its what drives our economy. Also, the fact that people want money is a good thing. For example, lets say I sell apples at 50 cents a piece. You also sell apples, and want to make more money. So you sell your apples at 40 cents a piece. In doing this, you make more money, and the consumer benefits because he gets cheaper apple. Also, if a corporation gives better education than a public school, how is that a bad thing?
@Scoforever I’ve … @Scoforever I’ve got a better one- democrat and republican bend over the american people on behalf of their corporate donors- oil companies, banks, insurance, big pharma, defense contractors.
THEN- a few corporations control and own and media- and convince idiots there is a difference between corporate whore A (dem) and corporate whore B (rep).
People that still vote for repubs or dems are destroying the republic.
Have a nice day.
Currently, global … Currently, global businesses & government are turning into one entity. Save the children from the cut throat competitiveness of business! Its all about $ rather than education&moral values. Students are committing suicide over competition.Our Earth is falling apart!Large corporations labeled as a charter school is taking over, worst is yet to come!Parents keep your children close.
Propaganda. Where … Propaganda. Where is the comparison of surving on minimum wage in a poor neighborhood and Weston, one of the highest income towns, not only in Massachussetts, but in all of the USA.
Think of the … Think of the underlying law of nature. The way of all things.
Consider its astounding inferences and implications.
The single, underlying law … of nature! Not merely of physics, chemistry, psychology, biology, etc., but of all known fields of inquiry. The law we can all relate to, identify, understand and apply.
Ask yourself. What is the underlying law of nature?
Delight in the question. Have fun in the process of finding the answer firsthand for yourself.
You’re missing the … You’re missing the original point being made. The original point made by a poster was that the poor should “use libraries” instead of having government money spent on them. I countered by arguing “where do you think libraries come from?”. The counter to this was “they are used for serious research as well” and I countered by saying that wasn’t enough to justify it from a CONSERVATIVE point of view as opposed to my liberal one. I can justify schools AND libraries. The conservative can’t do either
he is a few person … he is a few person who been heated for his brilliant mind and ideas by ignorant people dont understand his idea.
he was loved by people who use his idea for their own interests.
I’m aware of that. … I’m aware of that. I would argue that school integration has done a huge amount to lessen the racism that was in this country and its citizens’ hearts. I think SS has helped a lot of people who would have otherwise made bad decisions.
Theoretically, people don’t make decisions that are just BAD (i.e. very costly to themselves) but..they do.
I also think government has helped things a great deal. The GI bill for instance. Relief during the Depression. Government can help mitigate pain.
Im surprised you … Im surprised you dont understand MF’s point. You may have all the best intentions in the world with any program but ultimately you must look at the results. Historically Big govt intervention may have had a immediate positive result, but the long term successes are phantom and over time failed its purpose. You must look at the economic out comes of the intended program not just intention. Good will and well meaning intentions are fine but the facts of economics show the truth and success
I’ve spent a lot of … I’ve spent a lot of time listening to hardliners like objectivists and now Friedman. Friedman spends most of his time as a pragmatic capitalist economist. I agree mostly with him and think that capitalism should be left for the most part free. He occasionally references moral arguments for free markets that are more in line w/ objectivists but I think he’s just more realistic / pragmatic than they are.
Overall, I’m still a (moderate) liberal. I think the government can help people.
@majinspy I like … @majinspy I like Friedman too… I think we’re arguing the same point rofl… And when I say that libraries are used for serious research, I mean for something beyond reading comics and Dahl books.
Libraries are … Libraries are rarely the product of a community, unless by community you mean government. If you mean that then liberals (me) have already won. You say w/o government there would be libraries. Maybe, but not nearly as many and if you dispute that you must show some evidence.
In regards to libraries being for serious research, well that goes to his overall point: Taxing the poor to provide a service disproportionately used by elites.
I like Friedman because he wasn’t an ideologue or hardliner.
@majinspy Friedman … @majinspy Friedman would consider Libraries products of the communities rather than the government. Without the government, libraries would be provided too. For instance, anyone can go to a university library, etc. Government offered libraries (such as public libraries) are usually useless for serious research anyways,
Well why wouldn’t … Well why wouldn’t you be against libraries being free? Isn’t that the government providing them with something through the taxes of someone else?
an idiot with a … an idiot with a nobel prize, go figure. those metals detectors, police presence, guards and hidden wepons are not a product of the school system, public or private. it is a product of the society they live in. moreover, no wealthy parent would be “trapped” into sending their children to this school, is he joking?
those disadvantaged … those disadvantaged people like to complain and complain. They want to wait for the government to save them. Yes you’re disadvantaged, that’s why you have to work 10 times harder than the richer kid.
Good learning are self learning, if you really want to learn, you can go to local library which is free. If you’re intelligent, no matter how poor you are, people will notice you’re smart. If you’re capable and work hard, you’ll succeed. Stop asking what the gov’t can do for u.
you can see the … you can see the privatization of education in china now. Schools are run as businesses. Farmers’ children often can’t afford school. Poor students from well off families can pay more tuition to stay in school.
Get the government … Get the government out of education. Let local and state government have public schools yet let a voucher system make it so there is fair competition.
Milton Friedman on education.
July 27th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
if this country was …
if this country was 100% white most of the problems would go away,get rid of the darkies & u get rid of the problem!!!!!!
July 27th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
@artdrawsyou Why is …
@artdrawsyou Why is competition bad? Its what drives our economy. Also, the fact that people want money is a good thing. For example, lets say I sell apples at 50 cents a piece. You also sell apples, and want to make more money. So you sell your apples at 40 cents a piece. In doing this, you make more money, and the consumer benefits because he gets cheaper apple. Also, if a corporation gives better education than a public school, how is that a bad thing?
July 27th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
We need you now …
We need you now more than ever Dr. Friedman
July 27th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
@Scoforever I’ve …
@Scoforever I’ve got a better one- democrat and republican bend over the american people on behalf of their corporate donors- oil companies, banks, insurance, big pharma, defense contractors.
THEN- a few corporations control and own and media- and convince idiots there is a difference between corporate whore A (dem) and corporate whore B (rep).
People that still vote for repubs or dems are destroying the republic.
Have a nice day.
July 27th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
Currently, global …
Currently, global businesses & government are turning into one entity. Save the children from the cut throat competitiveness of business! Its all about $ rather than education&moral values. Students are committing suicide over competition.Our Earth is falling apart!Large corporations labeled as a charter school is taking over, worst is yet to come!Parents keep your children close.
July 27th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
Propaganda. Where …
Propaganda. Where is the comparison of surving on minimum wage in a poor neighborhood and Weston, one of the highest income towns, not only in Massachussetts, but in all of the USA.
July 27th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
Think of the …
Think of the underlying law of nature. The way of all things.
Consider its astounding inferences and implications.
The single, underlying law … of nature! Not merely of physics, chemistry, psychology, biology, etc., but of all known fields of inquiry. The law we can all relate to, identify, understand and apply.
Ask yourself. What is the underlying law of nature?
Delight in the question. Have fun in the process of finding the answer firsthand for yourself.
Google it, as a start.
July 27th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
You’re missing the …
You’re missing the original point being made. The original point made by a poster was that the poor should “use libraries” instead of having government money spent on them. I countered by arguing “where do you think libraries come from?”. The counter to this was “they are used for serious research as well” and I countered by saying that wasn’t enough to justify it from a CONSERVATIVE point of view as opposed to my liberal one. I can justify schools AND libraries. The conservative can’t do either
July 27th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
Which they don’t …
Which they don’t use, I might add.
July 27th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
“Taxing the poor to …
“Taxing the poor to provide a service disproportionately used by elites.”
Except your claim of disproportionality is ridiculous considering the “elites” pay the vast majority of tax for your social programs.
July 27th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
he is a few person …
he is a few person who been heated for his brilliant mind and ideas by ignorant people dont understand his idea.
he was loved by people who use his idea for their own interests.
July 27th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
I’m aware of that. …
I’m aware of that. I would argue that school integration has done a huge amount to lessen the racism that was in this country and its citizens’ hearts. I think SS has helped a lot of people who would have otherwise made bad decisions.
Theoretically, people don’t make decisions that are just BAD (i.e. very costly to themselves) but..they do.
I also think government has helped things a great deal. The GI bill for instance. Relief during the Depression. Government can help mitigate pain.
July 27th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
Im surprised you …
Im surprised you dont understand MF’s point. You may have all the best intentions in the world with any program but ultimately you must look at the results. Historically Big govt intervention may have had a immediate positive result, but the long term successes are phantom and over time failed its purpose. You must look at the economic out comes of the intended program not just intention. Good will and well meaning intentions are fine but the facts of economics show the truth and success
July 27th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
I’ve spent a lot of …
I’ve spent a lot of time listening to hardliners like objectivists and now Friedman. Friedman spends most of his time as a pragmatic capitalist economist. I agree mostly with him and think that capitalism should be left for the most part free. He occasionally references moral arguments for free markets that are more in line w/ objectivists but I think he’s just more realistic / pragmatic than they are.
Overall, I’m still a (moderate) liberal. I think the government can help people.
July 27th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
@majinspy I like …
@majinspy I like Friedman too… I think we’re arguing the same point rofl… And when I say that libraries are used for serious research, I mean for something beyond reading comics and Dahl books.
July 27th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
Libraries are …
Libraries are rarely the product of a community, unless by community you mean government. If you mean that then liberals (me) have already won. You say w/o government there would be libraries. Maybe, but not nearly as many and if you dispute that you must show some evidence.
In regards to libraries being for serious research, well that goes to his overall point: Taxing the poor to provide a service disproportionately used by elites.
I like Friedman because he wasn’t an ideologue or hardliner.
July 27th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
@solidysnake1 …
@solidysnake1 Friedman wanted the government to not RUN schools but OFFER free education to everyone through vouchers.
July 27th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
@majinspy Friedman …
@majinspy Friedman would consider Libraries products of the communities rather than the government. Without the government, libraries would be provided too. For instance, anyone can go to a university library, etc. Government offered libraries (such as public libraries) are usually useless for serious research anyways,
July 27th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
Well why wouldn’t …
Well why wouldn’t you be against libraries being free? Isn’t that the government providing them with something through the taxes of someone else?
July 27th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
an idiot with a …
an idiot with a nobel prize, go figure. those metals detectors, police presence, guards and hidden wepons are not a product of the school system, public or private. it is a product of the society they live in. moreover, no wealthy parent would be “trapped” into sending their children to this school, is he joking?
July 27th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
@solidysnake1
…
@solidysnake1
They should do what we do, because it works SO well.
So how many scientists and engineers does China produce a year and how many do the States?
Fucking retard. Let me guess, you are a product of public education…
July 27th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
those disadvantaged …
those disadvantaged people like to complain and complain. They want to wait for the government to save them. Yes you’re disadvantaged, that’s why you have to work 10 times harder than the richer kid.
Good learning are self learning, if you really want to learn, you can go to local library which is free. If you’re intelligent, no matter how poor you are, people will notice you’re smart. If you’re capable and work hard, you’ll succeed. Stop asking what the gov’t can do for u.
July 27th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
you can see the …
you can see the privatization of education in china now. Schools are run as businesses. Farmers’ children often can’t afford school. Poor students from well off families can pay more tuition to stay in school.
July 27th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
this is similar to …
this is similar to the charter schools of now. but the unions are trying to get them shut closed
July 27th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
Get the government …
Get the government out of education. Let local and state government have public schools yet let a voucher system make it so there is fair competition.